2020 Dietary Guidelines: Vegan vs Low Carb Battlefield

hey it's Mike here and today the battle for the 2020 Dietary Guidelines here in the US recently the USDA who forms the guidelines had a bit of an open session to receive comments by certain members of the public with very different opinions each commenter got three minutes to try and influence the USDA's guideline board and it was over four hours long and generally well it could be pretty boring not only is drinking water strongly encouraged but health experts widely recognized water as a preferred source of hydration there were still some spicier moments and some sort of feuding / micro dramas because there was a variety of people they're not just industry there was definitely quite a bit of industry there but there was also your low-carb errs as well as a bunch of plant-based vegan advocates and really the topics that dominated were carbs are carbs bad are they good along with a lot of discussion about diabetes and then we also had a lot of anti dairy sentiment probably not just from vegans alone so after grinding through four hours of material I'm excited to get to the interesting stuff so let's just do this let's take a look right off the bat I was very taken off-guard surprised at how many people were going Whole Foods or plant-based blah to me blah I want a whole food plant-based that so I asked the committee to get rid of the recommendation for our protein and rather focus on Whole Foods too much animal food too much dairy too much processed food Denise Wilson style oil free vegan diet these latter diets vegetarian vegan and whole food plant-based diet airy patterns a variety of plant foods can supply all essential amino acids you know they hit on the plant-based sentiment over and over again often back to back and then the second most prevalent one was the low carb sentiment but I got curious you know what was the breakdown of you know plant promoters versus locard people know and ignoring the industry is like even the plant-based industry was there I'm here today representing the plant-based foods Association decades of research have shown that shifting to a plant-based diet provides an array of health benefits and chronic disease prevention and promotes healthy growth at all life stages we're looking at you know nearly 20 people who are not part of Industry promoting plant-based diets and then maybe you know nine or so promoting the low-carb so there was definitely more plant-based than low-carb representation I don't know how people get into this but the numbers are at least worth mentioning and a lot of those plant-based people were doctors or just highly educated people I mean this dude I majored in biology at Yale and was a medical student and radiology resident at Tufts I am board-certified in diagnostic imaging as well as in vascular and interventional radiology a high-tech field utilizing image-guided procedures such as angioplasty and stent placement by contrast the most disrespectful person was this low-carb woman you know if laughter was the best medicine than the nutritional guidelines or best practice because they're a joke a joke that's fallen flat wait I thought vegans were the militant angry pushy ones actually all the vegans in this whole session were extremely well tempered and well behaved and polite and Pam hopper one of those plant-based people had a lot of good points to say and actually responded directly to this woman people advocating high-fat diets I personally take offense to anybody who would come up here and say that the dietary guidelines are a joke it's my opinion and we've worked with about a hundred thousand people who have contacted us because they want to regain or maintain their health second graders with type 2 diabetes high school kids with rheumatoid arthritis and of course the populations getting fatter and sicker and put these people on a low-fat high-fiber plant-based diet and they get better in fact they get better so quickly that they have to be medically monitored because the drops in blood pressure and glucose levels mean that medications have to be reduced and sometimes withdrawn within a few days and we'll get some more of her good points in a little bit but in a follow-up she mentioned that that woman actually sort of stormed out of the hall and just left a kind of bad taste in everybody's mouth and there's some other heavy hitters there dr. Greger was there and he just pinpointed focus right on the processed meat issue and did a really good job bacon ham hotdogs lunch meats sausage right these are known human carcinogens the official 2018 IRC report couldn't have been clearer quote consumption process meat causes cancer of the colon rectum Co that's our second leading cancer killer of men and women combined we know these foods caused cancer I mean we try not to smoke around our kids why would we send them to school with a bologna sandwich that's not hyperbole accorded the Surgeon General living with a smoker increase risk of lung cancer 15% so the cancer risk of secondhand smoke is comparable to the 16 or 18 percent increased risk of colorectal cancer even the equivalent of a single sausage link a day I was basically a three-minute Nutrition Facts video the audience seemed really engaged with it and I will say I'll leave the time stamps for that below and a bunch of different time stamps from people on both sides of the aisle at least the ones that I wrote down and I felt like clapping for what a woman named Amy Hamlin who works to get plant-based foods in schools he works with New York City Schools had to say about processed meats and children are more susceptible to carcinogens than adults we asked the committee to discourage the consumption of processed meats and plainly state that they cause cancer yes please play in the state that these processed meats cause cancer and get a carcinogen out of the school lunch supply please and I want to mention an interesting point about these newer guidelines and that's that for the first time they're gonna make specific recommendations for pregnant people and children up to 24 months of age and I've brought a very important point from an unexpected source actually the grain industry on low carb diets here it is we believe it is premature to recommend low carbohydrate diet Airy patterns to the u.s. population research data for low carb diets is inconsistent for both diabetes and weight loss or maintenance outcomes furthermore based on a recent study there is potential for increased risk of neural tube defects in infants born to women who consume a low carbohydrate diet yeah this is true she's probably referring to this 2018 paper that found a 30% increase in neural tube defects like such as not being important with the brain in women who ate low carb diets so of course when you're going on a low carb diet and you're afraid of all carbs including those whole grains and legumes which are great sources of folate of course your folate levels are gonna go down and that could cause risks of neural tube defects and that's right in line with a pretty recent Swiss vegan study showing that they had about four times the lower folic acid deficiency rates than people that ate meat folic acid deficiency is of course caused by not getting enough folate in your diet that's why women end up taking folic acid supplements when they're pregnant they actually adjusted for folic acid supplements in that study and the reason that the grain industry is pushing it is because grains are a good source of folate look are also a great source of folate and this is all very important because we're talking about what to recommend for pregnant women and so a full lacasa deficient diet that all these low-carb people are pushing is it's pretty sketchy and throughout all of the low-carb testimony I did not see anyone make a strong case for why children young children should be eating this diet alright moving on to something positive there were some pretty amazing success stories here there's one by a retired police officer that I think was honestly amazing I'm a retired member of the New York City Police Department three years ago I woke up and I could not see the alarm clock I found out later that I was blind in one eye and I was going to lose my sight and others the diagnosis was type 2 diabetes I had what was considered to be permanent nerve damage in my hands and feet and I was told I was going to lose some limbs after three weeks of going on a whole food plant-based diet my eyesight returned three months after my a1c went from a 17 to a 5.7 the nerve damage in my hands and feet went away no medicine no instrument only food yes I teared up on that one and you should too but that was probably caused by diabetic retinopathy a clogging of the fine blood vessels within your eye and as we know a whole food vegan diet can open up your arteries open up those vessels and I would have liked to see the vegan plant-based camp push even harder into the studies on reversing diseases especially but this guy backed up some of the diabetes benefits with studies here numerous large cohort studies Nurses Health Study health professional study etc epic cohorts Adventist Health Study one and two they consistently find that a plant strong diet is associated with the reduced incidence and prevalence of type 2 diabetes in addition numerous randomized trials demonstrate plant stronghold food diets are effective in treating type 2 diabetes and other chronic conditions there also some people that shared some amazing success stories of you know people they knew or patience like this one our 15-day outpatient jumpstart program teaches our patients to eat and Esselstyn style oil-free vegan diet without calorie counting or portion control it has been given ten times to 250 patients in the Rochester New York area for patients whose total cholesterol was over 200 there was an average drop of 50 points by day 15 with one patient dropping her total cholesterol from 299 to 149 a drop of 150 points in just two weeks at age 50 I was 340 pounds on 15 different medications including 200 units of insulin a day for type 2 diabetes I found a doctor and she sat down with me and she said you need a little bit exercise and I'm also going to prescribe a whole food plant-based diet on this new diet I lost a hundred and fifty pounds in ten months I feel like I've experienced a miracle or emerged from the matrix what has happened to me and she said you're starting to feel normal apparently I'd never felt normal before there were also some success stories on the low-carb diet side mainly focusing on weight loss and diabetes they didn't necessarily have the long-term results or the epidemiological support I mean here's one for example I'm a type 2 diabetic I'm opiez I picked up Jason funks book the obesity code and after that I started a protocol of a ketogenic diet and intermittent fasting and my a1c went down to seven point eight six months later it was five point seven another plant-based advocate recalls his experience with the Atkins diet not so nice he had cycled on and off Atkins for about 20 years I was always able to lose a little bit of weight but then I would put it back on and I never knew why and when I failed on each of these diets I would feel shame and I think the plant people did a good job at highlighting why he is you know low carb benefits don't necessarily equate to good long-term health or full system health here's Pam popper again if you take a look at high-fat diets low-carb diets the measurements short-term show that the benefits are there people lose weight and they their numbers come down but if the only thing we're going to do is consider consider short-term benefits there are a lot of things that cause people to lose weight and have good biomarkers ones cocaine addiction I've never had a fat cocaine addict in my office and I've never had one with high cholesterol or high fasting glucose levels now I'm being facetious of course the point is if the only thing that counts is short-term a lot of things are short-term good bad in the long term because it takes a long time for cancer to develop the carb conversation continues and dr. Garth Davis was there and he's heard of summed up the carb fear amazingly they're petrified of a banana you could hold up a bank with a piece of bread people are so scared of carbs I wrote a book saying we should be eating protein first and we should be on ketosis diets but you know what happens to these ketosis patients they end up eventually on my operating room table when they failed this diet over and over again it's worth mentioning who is probably the most highly educated low carb advocate she's a doctor and a scientist yet she believed that one-third of all of the u.s. is required to go on a low-carb diet to fight their insulin emia or high insulin levels which are primarily caused by insulin sensitivity I'm a nutritional medicine physician at pounds transformation in West Hartford Connecticut I have my training in internal medicine primary care bachelor's in biochemistry and a master's in human nutrition but I am here today to bring to your attention a substantial class of Americans that are not currently being evaluated these are Americans with hyperinsulinemia these Americans require a low carbohydrate diet Airy pattern and with numbers like a hundred million I'm not too sure giving a blanket statement about how much starch and sugar we should all be consuming is a great idea it's just completely ridiculous to say that people require a low carb diet when you're looking at vegans who eat way more carbs and have such better insulin sensitivity that they have 78% lower total risk of diabetes from the advent of studies and garth davis also touched briefly on how these insulin issues can be caused by animal fat building up in the body and so removing carbs is just a band-aid people say insulin resistance and acting as if carbs cause insulin resistance that is not true animal protein and animal fat causing intra Maya cellular fat causing ceramide toxicity causes insulin resistance so the low-carb woman had an impressive level of education but not a very impressive level of claims so let's move on to probably the most important point here dr. Milton Mills may among others that whole carbs are different from refined carbs yeah people are trash carbs left right and center here and never mentioned glycemic index whole food carbs that have their fiber are excellent the ones that have their fiber removed those are the problems it's not carbs it's the processed carbs and this nutritionist and professor went a step further and actually urged them to make this distinction a part of the guidelines the 2020 guidelines should make a clear distinction between whole foods that contain healthy carbohydrates fruits vegetables beans or pulses and whole grains and those that contain highly processed carbohydrates the added sugars white flours and foods made from them and here's a great piece of logic by a nurse who is representing other nurses on the topic of whole carbs we know that type-2 diabetes is not a result of eating too many apples or sweet potatoes or even whole wheat bread but I have patients who have been led to believe that all carbs are bad and that somehow a greasy burger without a bun will save them and in a few points people mention higher carb consuming civilizations you know the Okinawans and their sweet potatoes and so forth but of course with low carbs just want to outright deny this they want to ignore it back to that one woman and it doesn't matter if it comes from whole grain or cane sugar or 100% fruit juice a carb is a carb is a carb if you have pre-diabetes or diabetes you are essentially carbohydrate intolerant please reduce the recommended carbohydrate intake by half to reflect the current health status of our nation not only was this woman a little out of line she was straight-up out of touch with reality not all carbs are the same this is verifiably incorrect you know we look at whole grains they reduce risk of mortality among other diseases and that's the tip of the iceberg but I'll move on another familiar face on the other side of the aisle was Nina ty Schultz I have an old-school video about her she comes up every once in a while she's a low carb proponent and author who you know wanted to push that her organization was not funded by industry you know therefore she wasn't biased was the implication my name is Nina titles I'm a science journalist and author book the big fat surprise the failures of science and policymaking that I discovered through that investigation compelled me to create the nutrition coalition a nonprofit group dedicated to the public interest it receives no industry support the reality is though the better she makes Locard look the more books she sells so that's just worth mentioning the dietary guidelines issued by USDA HHS are not based on the most rigorous evidence since this evidence has since the launch of the guidelines been ignored and or excluded ignoring scientific evidence is not okay the other guidelines ignored new data may be like this new dairy industry funded study showing that saturated fat isn't that bad after all but you will always ignore this massive meta-analysis of 395 clinically controlled trials showing that the higher the saturated fat intake the higher the cholesterol levels and higher LDL bad cholesterol equals atherosclerosis is a causal relationship she then spends the second half of her time criticizing their whole process that the process established in the guidelines was not using the best practices for conducting systematic reviews and quote lack tons lacked scientific rigor unquote the guidelines are currently unknown to you on track commenting twenty-nine days of the past I do agree that being more scientifically rigorous would be better but if they were more scientifically rigorous they would not end up choosing her diet and one piece of science this meta-analysis that I was sad to see that nobody mentioned showed that people who ate low-carb diets have a 30% increased risk of all-cause mortality small detail she was then followed by low carb or Darren Schmidt who just to sum it up had the angle of saying let's not worry about the foods at all let's just have a low-carb diet in there so all who the industry's can be satisfied so I've been teaching low-carb to my patients since 1998 and ketosis in the last four years and I said fit your macros into these guidelines so you could be plant-based you could be meat based whatever and then when you do that you're not liable to upsetting special interest you know I give him credit for appealing to the actual State of Mind the mindset of the USDA when making these decisions with all the pressure from industry but again that just completely ignores the benefits of whole card and is ridiculous in many ways so let's move on all right let's touch on the whole dairy topic because it really to me seemed to be the dairy industry verse of the world there was a massive trend of ragging on dairy and here are some of the instances of that as a silver medal winning Olympian I am deeply concerned about the USDA's proffered different recommendation that Americans consume dairy foods we are the only species that continues to consume dairy after the age of weaning and the dairy that we consume is that of another mammal which makes zero sense it's sort of gross if you think about it dairy products are the number one source of saturated fats in the American diet and scientific evidence has clearly tied dairy consumption to heart disease and high cholesterol research has closely linked dairy to female reproductive diseases acne ear infections asthma and allergies dairy whether it's derived from industrial agriculture or grass-fed cows contains high levels of estrogen pus feces and other contaminants for the USDA to continue to put its stamp of approval on a product that is unnecessary and unhealthy and rooted in a highly oppressive system is unconscionable and a lot of people emphasize lactose intolerance especially among minority groups eighty to a hundred percent of Asian Americans African Americans Native Americans and Latino Americans are affected by lactose intolerance sixty-five percent of the global population is lactose intolerant according to the National Institute of Health people of color have high rates of lactose intolerance humans simply have no need for milk past the age of weaning much less milk from another species for our guidelines to be encouraging consumption by people whose normal biology does not tolerate it is frankly a form of racial bias and they go on to say that the Dietary Guidelines for Americans should clearly indicate that dairy products are optional and Milton Mills came at them hard with why the say racial distribution of the panel might lead to such conclusions as to support dairy I actually came here this morning to call out the racism that is inherent in the US dietary guidelines but then as I got to look at this committee I suddenly understood why it's such an tractable problem this committee bears no relationship to the general makeup of the American populace now that is not a attack on any of you as individuals Milton finished with this amazing statement we have no more reason to suck on the teeth of a cow than we have to suck on the breast of a postpartum weasel accurate Milton accurate the dairy industry of course advocated for only having real cow lactation is on the docket I'm the manager of regulatory affairs at the National Milk Producers Federation I'd like to emphasize the need to maintain dairies current position as a distinct food group as well as the recommendation that consumers ages nine and older receive free servings of dairy a day the committee should continue to only include real dairy products in the dairy category other industries that were present included the egg and meat industries such as beef who seemed to get together and try and nail home points on choline which we'll talk about more in a second here they are for the National Cattlemen's Beef Association a contract for the beef checkoff during pregnancy and early years of life beef delivers the necessary protein zinc choline B vitamins and iron and of course to ignore the ludicrous levels of cholesterol in eggs you got to focus on something else here's the egg industry most Americans are well below the adequate intake recommendation for choline with only about eight percent of adults and eight and a half percent of pregnant women meeting the AI and then we have a woman who presents herself as you know a bit of a neutral choline researcher that just happens to be there good morning my name is Marika Dahl and I'm a choline researcher in the division of nutritional sciences at Cornell at Cornell University the best dietary sources of choline are animal source foods like eggs and meat however consumers are often advised to limit these foods in their diet the most impressive point about her that she was able to be the head author of a study that was not just supported by the egg industry but also the beef industry eggs and meat in the industry we call that a double egg burger she presents Pauline is this thing that everybody is deficient in especially if they don't eat animal products with public health calls to shift patterns away from animal-based foods a potential unintended consequence is a further lowering of choline intake and choline needs a whole video the egg industry is majorly trying to influence doctors nutritionists etc but as funny how she only mentioned animal sources she didn't mention how for example from the USDA soybeans have a more choline than beef ki Noah has comparable choline to meats like Pig muscle or house soy flour and wheat germ are both you know roughly comparable to eggs so you can get choline from plants and you can actually make it yourself to a reasonable amount which is why it wasn't really considered essential until a few organizations said it was essential somewhat recently both the researcher and the egg industry both pushed the association between low choline levels and neural tube defects higher maternal choline intakes are also associated with a reduced risk of having a baby with a neural tube defect but this newer study for example found no significant difference in pregnancy choline levels between healthy and neural tube defect pregnancies it could just be a marker for lower nutrition in standard American diets for example not necessarily causal they then hired dolly parton to sing about choline for three minutes it's also worth mentioning as you might know from my recent TMAO video that choline is processed into TMAO in the guts of people that you know eat a reasonable amount through animal protein it doesn't happen in people who eat plant-based diets you know and TMAO fuels heart disease other wings of the government like the NIH have recognized this and have another important point about a particular claim that the egg guy made eggs are also a bioavailable source of the carotenoids lutein and zeaxanthin in infants the observation that lutein is preferentially taken up by the developing brain suggests a role in neural development uh-huh well the level of these two carotenoids is so low that it's actually illegal for them to advertise as Gregor highlighted in this video one spoonful of spinach has as much as nine eggs and in order to get your you know ten thousand units of this stuff that would be good for preventing eye damage you'd have to eat several dozen eggs you know so the animal product industries have some pretty empty claims but the question is will the USDA think that they are empty or will they want to fill their pockets no there are so many other highlights I just want to include a few we have this woman from the true health initiative we do not have a protein deficiency problem in the United States we have a vegetable deficiency problem we have a fiber and vitamin deficiency problem and we have a food system sustainability deficiency problem we also have vegan advocate Sean Hennessey hitting it with the athlete point plant powered diets rich in fiber are becoming very popular including for athletes performing at the highest levels such as tennis star Serena Williams an Olympic weightlifter Kendrick Farris and finally there was a lady from the potato industry who don't get me wrong had some good points but Elsa those funny hosts it's like she was personally wronged by the attacks on potatoes here today on behalf of the national potato council although potatoes are a vegetable they've been historically stigmatized in past editions of the dietary guidelines now there are a ton of great points by people on the plant-based side that I just don't have time to include here but in terms of the low-carb battle it's very clear that low-carb diets have risks they have that increased risk of mortality as that grain woman mentioned the increased risk of neural tube birth defects in women on low-carb diets we also have the questionable weight regain and long term health effects by contrast plant-based diets really demonstrate in the epidemiology that we have lower risk of these diseases we have the clinical trials showing the reversal of these diseases which I would have liked people to put more emphasis on also have the normal BMI average and finally the ability to reverse diabetes without leveraging your heart arteries when heart disease is our number one killer and I really hope that the USDA can take some of these recommendations to heart removing recommendations for processed meat adding more recommendations for plant-based alternatives and you know going the way of Canada where they took industry out of the equation and funnily enough ended up being very plant-based friendly and I have the video from the day that those guidelines came out linked below and linked at the end all right this video is brought to you by my one in 1,000 subscribers that that support me on patreon so thank you so much keep me going if you want to be generous like them you can click below at the end but let me know down below what you thought about all of these comments I thought it was a very in painting process also feel free to like subscribe share the video and always remember we have no more reason to suck on the teats of a cow than we have to suck on the breast of a postpartum weasel I am tired of cutting people open for obesity and rearranging their intestines the real drug dealers are not those who are wearing black baggy blue jeans on our corners I've learned that the pharmaceutical companies that have our parents addicted to drugs it has never been my DNA it was my dinner it was my dinner it was my dinner

37 thoughts on “2020 Dietary Guidelines: Vegan vs Low Carb Battlefield

  1. Wish I had time to overlay everyone's names and associations but this was already a major editing undertaking. I even left out a physician mentioning clearing of MS plaques on a plant-based diet: "I have witnessed a patient with Multiple Sclerosis whose white matter plaques completely resolved after 6 months on a plant-based diet, I have seen a patient with refractory psoriasis clear their skin completely after 21 days on a plant-based diet, I've seen a patient whose rheumatoid symptoms resolved after instituting a plant-based diet…." USDA video timestamp: 3:13:41

  2. The way that you use studies to paint a black and white picture of how the body will react to certain foods makes it clear to me that you are either very biased in your approach, or are very unaware/ignorant of how complex the issue of treatment through nutrition is. We are nowhere near being able to say what people should be eating in all situations. People will look back in 100 years and shake their head in disbelief at the mess of nutritional information that was being preached around. We are all still learning and you should not be telling people what to eat.

  3. So both camps are advocating a whole-food diet and use people who have experienced a health benefit using their diet. So perhaps it is the whole-food thing in contrary to refined and processed food which gives those health benefits……

  4. Alright , yeah , let's all eat only plant foods just like we used to ,
    Oh , wait , we could never eat only plant foods before we invented supplements,
    Without supplements plant foods will lead to death ,
    One example , B12 B12 B12 ,
    So a plant only diet was never a human diet ,
    Ah , I get it ,
    More vegan denial and bullshit

  5. why are all the plant based people looking so old, pale and ugly?
    Its weird if its so healthy why do all people end up looking sick?

  6. I think we can all take away that doctors don't have a clue what they are talking about. My sister had organ failure from an organic whole food plant diet… Slowly rebuilding from animal products. You all may not want to hear that but she would be dead now. It's a religion.

  7. The lady from plant-based foods association is a registered dietitian, a true food expert so its good to see her there!

  8. I want to be plant based but I have sensitivities to oxalates and selicylates and even lectins. It's hard to pinpoint what are the worst culprits from crossover symptoms. I do have an autoimmune disease and therefore almost certainly leaky gut. To reiterate I strongly want to be plant based but if I follow the diet I will live a life of hell. I tried once for a year in denial using chronometer to get everything I needed while favoring as raw as possible.

    It seems like plant based dieters are advocating then that those who are only very young or without any modicum of health issues to go plant based because if any health issues are symptoms of poor digestion then the antinutrients in plants are likely dangerous.

    I reply things like this in any group I can find related to plant based seeking answers but I dont believe I ever have toward you, Mike, an people rarely ever respond. Sure antibiotics and the SAD diet caused the issues but once caused the plant based diet exasperates them. Then what?

  9. I'm all for these plant-based guidelines, but the government also needs to address the availability and cost of whole foods versus the processed foods that are so damaging.

  10. If you want a great example of the vegan community then look at India. Even those who are not fully vegan does eat vegetables 5 days a week. But remember we do consume animal milk-based products as long as the animal is not being abused.

    Look those who want to eat meat, I do not have any problem. Just do not buy your meat from sadistic meat-producing industries. Yes, India is one of the top meat-producing countries. And don't waste the food also, protect nature and conserve resources.

  11. Im not vegan, im not vegetarian,i am west african and what you call vegan, was our ancestors normal traditional diet until transatlantic slave trade and colonialism.if u are of west african descent especially the south, u will do well in a starch(tubers and grains), fruit and leafy green vegetables and as for meat, our fathers didnt eat cows(cows came from north africa), although u can find some d warf species in some southern states in nigeria. Our mear source was bushmeat and lean forest meat caught in traps set by farmsrs and hunters. We did not consume milk at all,it came from the north. People from arid,semi arid regions predominantly ate more cow meat and dairy. If u dont understand,take a map of africa, and locate the GREENEST PART OF THE CONTINENT

  12. Let me get this straight – it's fine when the grain and legume and potato industry defend plant based diets, but is a conflict of interest when Nina and the meat, dairy and eggs industry defend their foods?

    Let's be reasonable here. If you are going to claim that whole foods are essential to a healthy vegan diet, you have to look at whole meats too, not at processed ones.

  13. Additives causes cancer nitrates preservatives etc I was vegan but it caused ulcerative colitis reverses it on a carnivore diet now on a nice balanced diet, vegan isn’t for everyone if your struggling or anemic don’t do it please deterioration is real fuck animals aswell we are the top of the food chain, I was vegan and I ended up on anti depression tablets and like I said ulcerative colitis

  14. Stupidity at its greatest. Taking things out of context in everything so you can back up your claims. It's funny that people listen and support that shit without checking the sources

  15. Thank you for putting this together, Mic. I can see it was a significant effort and I appreciate the breakdown 🙏🏼💖

  16. I feel good drinking my milk and eating meat. I like my steak and wild
    eggs. I also know the Spartans ate like this and were known to be really
    healthy. The Spartan warrior fought till the age of 60 years old. You
    didn't cross a 59 year old spartan either. The Natives ate mostly bison
    and were also very healthy and were very tall back in the 1800's. They
    say they died average 35 but I think they died from a broken leg and
    that data isn't very good. I also know that bread and potato's are the
    only High calories other then the fake fruit that we have now that one
    could get enough to function off of. Fruit is made just so a animal can
    carry it's seed. Yeah , I think I'll will stick to my grass fed beef,
    Deer, lamb,bison and Salomon or sardines. I'll keep eating my wild eggs
    , Raw milk , raw cheese, kefir and if I want a plant it would be
    mushrooms and wild blue berries. If you eat plan rice let me know how
    that taste without butter and salt, Oh and let me know what a potato
    taste like without butter and salt. Think about this people! What do
    you put on bread? Butter!

  17. If there were 20 people from the plant based / vegan movement and about 9 from the low-carb movement… and I suspect a few other ideologies… doesn't that mean that this meeting or hearing was not really an honestly equal zero ground? shouldn't there be the same number of proponents for each group in such an important case… not to give any favour to anything here but I would say it should be equal ground before deciding anything that is related to life & death… Or would you disagree and say it is not really important which "camp" makes up the majority?  
    (same question would go for the committee itself)

    either way: great overview, thank you. must have been a hell of an editing effort!

  18. jesus your fucking voice could kill more than a nuclear blast its the most unlistenable thing ive ever tried to hear if i had to listen to your high pitched nasally soy boy voice for 30 minutes id drink 1000 Vegans shakes and go into a sugar coma and die

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