Zeminar Presents Richie Sadlier, Shane Supple & Elaine Byrnes | Youth Wellbeing


We have, its kind of an interesting link here
because we’ve two international sports stars – we have yourselves here beside us; We have yourself Ritchie – TV pundit, international career a few
years ago. Shane – Dublin GAA, a big announcement this week that we’ll come to in a minute, and yourself Elaine too, I know you’re studying psychology of
this in Galway so it’s an interesting link because you yourself now Richie are
working as a psychotherapist (yes) and Shane you’re working is life coach so we’ve
had a few transitions in the career – we’ll come to that in a second but I want to
start off with yourself Richie. Let’s go way back – youth career Millwall, we had a
Leicester FC, Belvedere, tell us all about sport at a youth level for you first
of all. I suppose sport for me when I was a teenager it was the most important
thing – it was the thing I most enjoyed doing, it’s the thing I did more than
anything else and in terms of the life that I wanted to lead or a career that
I wanted to have that was it for me there was no real plan B, there was no
thoughts to what I might do if it didn’t work out so put all my effort and my
focus into this and it worked out really well for me. When I was seventeen I moved
out of my family home, left Dublin, moved to London on my own and signed for a club
called Millwall, which are in South London and I stayed there for seven or eight
really really happy years. And and I got a hip injury then when I was 23 and
battled away with that for 18 months so when I got to the age of 24 I retired
because I had to, and then I was left in a situation going okay right – I need to do
something new, I’ve given no thought to doing anything else now I need to. So I
started off in a load of different directions.
So I’ll just focus actually on the early years so I mean you had the
chance of a life time I’m guessing – we talk about life goals that was probably
your as achieved at that stage so what was the ecstasy like what was the
feeling like when you were playing? You obviously worked very hard to
achieve it but once you actually achieved this goal at such a young age
how was that to deal with? It’s very hard to put into words actually like. I suppose
anyone in the room now if you’ve a thing that you’re more, most passionate about
more than anything else – you enjoy doing more than anything else and then you get
to do it as a job. So you’ve no other thoughts, no other
responsibilities other than doing the thing you love – like that’s indescribably a brilliant way to live your life. It doesn’t matter
whether it’s football or anything else but for me it was football so even just
the day-to-day stuff of going to bed and the only thing I had in my schedule the
next day was to get up and go training for two or three hours and then
match days on the good days are brilliant like I was a striker so on the good
days if you’re winning, if you’re scoring goals – crowds are singing your name, the
newspapers are writing nice stuff about you – that’s great. There is a flip side
and particularly the club like Millwall if you don’t play well and you’re
not scoring goals and you’re losing matches the crowd are as quick to
criticize it as they are to praise you and they’re very very blunt and explicit
with their criticism, so the bad days can be quite challenging. So you’ve got to
work out a way no more than if you’re doing any other job other than football
or even if you don’t have a job you’ve to work out your own way of trying to
deal with the good and the bad days in some kind of a consistent way because
both will come and in the world of football both can be quite extreme.
Richie that’s difficult to deal with at any age, at our age that’s hard to deal with but you were so young at the time so you had these highs, you had these lows – so how did you deal with it, how did you cope with that? Looking back I probably didn’t cope with
it very…I did my best is the answer but I
mean I didn’t really talk to anyone when I had the bad days coz I thought – I did that thing that a lot of people do, you know when you go – I can’t really complain about
my lot because there’s loads of people who have it worse than me, like I’m a
footballer, like whoopittydoo I’m having a bad day – so what! I’m living my
dream to use the phrase you used so I I could have maybe talked a bit more about
the bad days when they were happening because I had a load of people around me
who would have been really supportive and sound but because I didn’t tell
them what I was going through they’d no opportunity to support me or be sound so
the bad days probably were more difficult and lasted a bit longer
because I didn’t try to access any support. Yeah and speaking of these highs
and lows in terms of your own story Richie we had Mark McGee named
you as one of potentially one of the best centre forwards he ever worked
with in his career and suddenly 2002 came along, Mick McCarthy World Cup all was looking great, all was looking strong and something happened then that changed everything
for you – what was that? It did yes, I suppose again to go back to my teenage years, the one thing I
wanted to do more than anything was to be a footballer and play for my country
and in an ideal world play in a World Cup for my country and and all
those things kind of nearly came about happening in February 2002, we’d already
qualified for the World Cup and I got called up to a friendly – there was
there was four or five more friendlies between that one and the World Cup
and I knew it was between me and Clinton Morrison one of the other players to get
the final spot in the squad, and I played and it was great – best day of my life, all my family were there, it was Lansdowne Road. I can’t put into words what it was
like and three weeks later I hurt my hip in a league game for Millwall, which
meant I had surgery, which meant I couldn’t go back to any other friendlies, which meant I had to forget about the World Cup and a year later meant I had to
forget about the career and give it up, so in that really short space of time –
ridiculous highs, like fulfillment of a lifetime ambition to then as rock-bottom
as I could have been at the time because I had my career taken away. So you were
there, you were on the world stage, you were nearly on the world of stage as they say and suddenly, I suppose for years this is your focus, you’re achieving it, you’re
getting your goals and suddenly this really is the end for you I mean there’s
no more, this isn’t something that’s a a year long injury, this is you out of the field, out of the career. So what happens then, what happens the
day after this suddenly Ritchie goes back to his house – there’s no more
football in his life, that’s all you probably knew for years. Where did he go
from then? I didn’t have an answer to that question at the time and I was
quite afraid of even addressing that question. What I did I I just availed of
any work opportunities that came my way so I worked as a football agent for a
while, I did some media work for a while, I went back to work with some with the youth teams at Millwall for a while. I was finishing off a Sports Science degree at the time so I was quite busy but the best thing I
did by a distance and the thing I’m most grateful for doing more than anything
else, it wasn’t getting a job or meeting certain people or it was the day I
decided to go to see a therapist. She was a sports psychologist – I remember at the
time I would tell everyone, I wouldn’t tell anyone I was going to see one coz I
thought it’s not a blokey thing to do, I don’t need help on a strong man. So I
didn’t tell anyone I was going and a few years later I would admit that I saw a
sports psychologist because I thought that’s a bit more acceptable and then
years later I said nah actually it was a therapist – I went to therapy and I really
openly and honestly talked about what it was like and it did me the world of good,
and it was so good that years later even when I left her on the last session I
remember going “I think I’d love to do her job” – I think the little journey
she’s brought me from, from being this broken little wreck when I first met her to
leaving several months later with a different view of myself and the world
and my past and my future, I thought I’d love to go through that with other people
so a load of years later I started to training and working in it and studying it
and now I’m a therapist for teenagers. Amazing amazing and we’re going to talk to Elaine in a second but Richie we know you work together quite often, so tell us
about the work you do. Myself and Elaine, one of the things I do I I do a module
in my old secondary school – St. Benildus up in Kilmacud in mental fitness – it’s all about mental health and emotional well-being and how to look after
ourselves and myself and Elaine got talking a couple of years ago about – in
in my module the whole area of sex and porn and relationships and all these
questions kept coming up and and see like the giggles that get mentioned when
you when you mention the word – okay we need to support young people in a in a
way that we’re not doing at the moment and I thought wouldn’t it be great if
we did a module and I knew Elaine had done a load of work and a load of research in
this area so someone suggested that I contact Elaine and we just cobbled
together a load of topic areas that we thought 16 year olds and 17 year olds
and transition year students would benefit from exploring and discussing
and being supported with so every Friday afternoon we co-deliver a module on
sexual health. Amazing amazing – we’ll talk to Elaine in a second about that. Just over to yourself Shane, we have big news
this week with the retirement, we’ll come to that in a second but first of all to bring you right back, so we’re talking Dublin GAA days, we’re talking playing at
a youth level – tell us what it was like, how you got there, how you achieved it.
Probably similar to Richie’s story obviously I went across to England at a
very young age at 15 to a club called Ipswich Town in the Southeast of England, was scouted back here playing for schoolboy club Home Farm. Had a
number of trials at clubs and I was lucky enough how to have a couple of
offers on the table at 14 15 years of age and decided to go to Ipswich, live the dream I stayed over there for seven years
altogether and I enjoyed most of my time there but at 22 I came to the decision that
it wasn’t for me anymore, unlike Richie, it wasn’t through
injury, it was just decision I made, I wasn’t enjoying the game – the people
around the game over there so I decided to pack it in and come home with a year
left on my contract. It was the best thing I ever did and got back straight
into the GAA then and went down to my local club and again that was a vital part of
me integrating back into life back in Dublin I suppose and ended up being
involved in the Dublin panel in 2013, Jim Gavin’s first year when they won the
all-ireland as well and played Gaelic for a number of years and ended up back playing soccer somehow. So okay so again Shane yourself soccer was a passion (yeah), again you
achieved huge- you got as far as Ipswich, you’re working under Roy Keane and you
told, you’re saying that you decided that you just didn’t like it so why did you stop liking it? I suppose it was on the horizon for a while about 17 18 years of
age when I started to break into the first team in Ipswich, being around the
dressing room, saw the attitudes of players and you know weren’t quite again
I was brought up in a you know a lot of GAA kind of a background and I suppose in
school and that, you play for your team and you know your club, with your
county, your school with your teammates and you’re all fighting for the same
thing – I didn’t find that over there when they kind of got up the ladder,
and obviously money comes into it as well there’s a lot of lads on different
wages in the dressing room – a lot of money and they don’t view the club in the way
that maybe I view the club or I viewed the game and I stayed around, went out to
other clubs on loan to see were the attitudes different and they weren’t and
I just decided like this is this is not for me, I’m not gonna be happy staying
here and for another 15 years, I need to get out and I made the decision – it
wasn’t a spur-of-the-moment thing it was something that was building up for a number of years so. It’s funny Shane it’s different to Richie Richie really
wanted to pursue this career and a fortune if taken away from him but she
really had this and you decided that it wasn’t for you here so that’s an equally
tough decision to make probably wasn’t overnight and the margin think no but
you did walk away from it and now you’re working as a life coach so where did
this shift in mentality come from for you it took me a long way because when I
came back I didn’t know what I want today I wanted to join the carrots my
dad was a detective for at that time I came back 2009 it was at the height of
the economic downturn there was no recruitment for five years so either
local opportunities worked a number of different jobs which were great and gave
me a lot of good life experiences as well and and then I came across a life
coach about three and a half four years ago and sat down helped me put a bit of
structure and you know life and the direction I wanted to go you know my
personality what I’d be suited to and just a different perspective on things
and I made a couple of decisions then and a lot of around education because of
15 I left out my Junior Cert didn’t have much education and behind me and I was
in fear of that and for a long time and getting back into that but I decided to
draw myself back again at 28 years of age and it was the best thing I ever did
great I want to talk more in a minute lads about an insight as to what it’s
actually like playing and working at such a high level there’s a lot of
people right here who probably aspired to be there
so there’s I’m sure there was ups and Di’s about that second but just over to
yourself and everything your doctor researcher at the School of Psychology
and NUI Jays first of all you sports fanatic yourself absolutely not I mean I
can follow it but I never as Richie talked about um you know when he was a
teenager sport was the most important thing in his life I was
always much more bookish um I wasn’t particularly sporty and I remember just
just listen to the guys talking about sport and I don’t know if there are
people in the room that can identify with this I was always the last person
to be picked for a team you know and – listen to the guys now that did impact
on me and how I felt about myself now the fact that I wasn’t particularly good
didn’t come into it for me but being the last one to be picked for a team that I
remember yeah but no I wasn’t I wasn’t at all 40 probably said that you are up
here no I was international panel so there is a link here about the work that
you do at the moment okay well my research area of interest is in sexual
behavior and consent specifically and I suppose when I started in researching
consent in 2014 I was talking to myself because there was no interest we didn’t
have all that we’ve had over the last number of years that had an explosion
really in the media around the issue of consent so when I start at first the
first thing I had to do was come up with the definition of consent because I was
asked what’s the definition of consent to my as I don’t know I don’t know so I
went to there are so many different elements towards that I cobbled together
a definition for myself that enabled me to understand what consent was and my
research initially was with third level students and we conducted the largest
survey of sexual behavior and attitudes ever undertaken in this country and
that’s something we didn’t have – we didn’t have anything to tell us what
people’s behaviors were what their attitudes were until we did that survey
and I did follow-up interviews then with students as part of issue and one of the
questions I asked them was their experience about sex education at school
and for the most part if it was lacking people felt that they were equipped with
one guy said the bare necessities or the mechanics relationships weren’t
discussed emotions weren’t discussed feelings weren’t discussed
you know in heteronormative situations male/female situations how the other
person was feeling how you were feeling none of that was discussed so when
Richie and I I was good as I hoped but that’s kind of when we started talking
about about putting together a module and in Benilde just one of the things
that was really important to us was that we would focus on all of those things
that weren’t in the curriculum or that weren’t being explored or discussed with
young people and another thing that was really really important to us was that
the module would be as with the mental fitness modules that Richie facilitates
is that it would be pure lit and really interactive that it was really important
to us to give the boys a voice for them to discuss them for them to discover
explore sex and sexuality in a really comfortable and a safe space so that’s
how we came to to develop the module yeah I mean you’re totally I fully agree
I mean just social media and TV in the current last twelve months it’s all
about consent and it wasn’t four years and I’ve seen with myself when I was
like you know we obviously had a big high-profile incidents in this country
in Northern Ireland the last 12 months which was dealing with sports and
consent but I was thinking to myself you know we had an America through with the
me to movement so you’re an expert in this field Lilian do you think this is
an issue that is more present in sports equally as prevalent what would your
taken up be um the issue of consensus is a societal issue what we’ve seen our
high profile cases whether they’re in sport or whether they’re entertaining
entertainment or whether they’re in media they’ve just brought the issue to
the fore but the reality is that the issue of consent or experience of non
consensual encounters for people that’s societal and that’s something that we
really need to address at a societal level I think that’s really important
and the importance of education at a younger and younger age because I was
involved in the development of consent workshops at third level and
facilitated those I see they’re really really valuable they’re really really
useful and people get a lot out of them but I think introducing the concept of
consent at that stage is too late we need to have people understanding before
they get involved in in sexual relationships or sexual encounters to
understand what it is what it really means and how finding themselves in a
non-consensual situation can really impact them and ensuring that they’re
not because they really really understand what consent is yeah rich
easy to spot yourselves and to talk about the insight of sport at a high
level what do you think of myself as yourself Ritchie are the main issues
facing young people in sports who are trying to aspire to get this high level
I’m those who are that at a lower level today well I suppose it depends on the
sport and I suppose I’m in my own and in football like it’s not like if you
really want to get a college place you know if you get a certain amount of
point you’re gonna get it and that there might be some careers out there which
have a defined pathway you know you get points you get a degree
or get an internship and it’s said oh Fame in football it’s difference is
their third it’s not like that you you you can put a huge amount to work into
it and the vast majority of 12 year olds they want to be a professional
footballer 99.99% of them won’t now a lot of them will will put a huge amount
of time and effort and emotional energy all the way up to 17 or 18 or 19 or 20
before they get to the point where they realize they’re just not at the level to
make a career and for a lot of those people they can really find themselves
in a lot of difficulty the disappointment of it not working out and
the lack of a of support that the lack of a plan B or lack of alternatives all
of those things can be problematic so for those who make us mmm and even the
phrase make it means different things to different people and but you will be
under a hell of a lot of scrutiny way more than teenagers would normally be in
any other job it’s a public role and there will be a lot of expectation a lot of
challenges a lot of pitfalls and there would be a lot of demands on you and if
you’re a footballer you will probably be given a lot of money very young and not
every young person is very good with a lot of money and a lolly not every young
person has what we would call healthy or stable and supports around them so it
can be it can be very difficult and the world the professional sport it’s
shark-infested there’s a lot of things that can go wrong so you really need to
be minded and what it’s like for those for like the good days as I said earlier
are phenomenal like a certain memories of days or moments and training or
matches or you know sitting with my parents or friends before after games
which kind I wouldn’t swap for the world but didn’t the bad days Tenerife to be
challenging so again like I said you have to work out a way for yourself of
how you deal with all the the peaks and troughs along the way I seen yourself I
mean if well happy to follow them to the speed because he just retires because it’s period and I wanted to be
her to be honest and I feel I’m still young especially from my position as a
goalkeeper I wanted a gwaan yeah you know a lot longer for them due to injury
if you know it’s the best decision for me to step away now a long time for me
for my health I’m for Snippets you know I look back on
my career now and so if great memories and you know I’m glad and I’m proud at
the career ahead yeah I’m just to focus in the fact that you have been involved
in we go back to dip switch which is a few years ago you’ve been evolve up
until this year how do you feel how have you found that mindset has changed the
challenges have changed and the last was say three or four years I mean the words
different place now with social media probably in particular I mean it’s
revolutionized everything for the good or the bad it’s got pros and cons so you
think you’ve been playing really a high level before this happened and now so
how have you found or have you find any difference in the challenges faced not
personally really and what I do not was around the dress room now and there’s
young girls that are coming true and what they’re having today would haven’t
been brought open this technology IH I suppose and with Instagram and snapchat
and and it is it’s a different world and equate I was only talking to one other
guys do today about us you know going away in a way trips him up to Terry and
there’s two young guys and they’re sitting beside each other under phones
haven’t spoke or I could open I went out with and I’m I said up you open your
mouth teacher yeah you know they’re not developing the skills that I needed as
well to cope the people skills they’re the meaningful relationships you know
that that you need in sport and again a lot of it from what Ritchie’s saying as
well listen to it is the support people around you know and they’re all models
around you and whether its family or you know older teammates or people look to
you look up to a lot of these guys this it was in the Premier League and they’re
putting stuff up on Instagram and and Twitter and they think that’s real life
they don’t realize a lot of the work that’s gone into get them there as well
so I think our game is losing a lot of good leadership and in terms of players
that are going out of the game and then you know is coming true and
they don’t have the same leadership qualities that I needed to to show these
lads the way Radian it is different than I’m not open all the the technology I’m
among Coppola social media platforms but I’m not active on it so yeah I know it’s
difficult and there’s a lot of pressure on the younger generation now and just
very briefly as well sheen on that point mean he looked like sequester
particularly I suppose I mean when you’re playing at level at you are your
colleagues and friends are being scrutinized constantly and it’s very
hard to ignore that unless you come off it which is also very hard to do and we
know what a big social media find yourself but what would would you have
any tips or advice for people and for young people here to kind of overcome
this constant social media interrogation I just be careful what they what they’re
putting obliquely and even the guys that I plan when I speak to them and it’s
great putting stuff up on the good days when you’ve had a good result or you’ve
scored a goal and you know you getting all the adulation from the from the fans
but then there’s gonna be days when that’s not gonna happen and how are you
gonna deal with that so just I think thinking about those days and reflecting
on you know and these scenarios when they do come open I’m being prepared for
if you are gonna be active on social media
there are gonna be times there’s gonna be idiots as well that want to have a
you know a Papaji from behind the keyboard unforeseen so it’s just I think
if we can educate the guys or the likes about Richie and I in our day on it’s
vital I think him going forward especially in sport because and it’s
it’s a big problem in sport yeah I’m really glad actually it wasn’t around
when I played because sure I can turn the bad spells when things aren’t going
you know I don’t know what it would be like to turn on Twitter or something and
see hundreds or thousands of people ripping it to shreds
I don’t think at a young age you were to develop the where adult is just just to
keep scroll past them and not have any emotional reaction whatsoever just to go
here whatever whenever I can do that now but I’m nearly forty like when I if I
was 17 or 18 and there was a I was going on any kind of platform I there was a
load of people making personal remarks or quoting remarks or slagging me I
don’t know if that would be a healthy place for me to
back then but it’s him again people have to work out their own way of interacting
with it it can be really healthy thing you can connect people it can be it can
be brilliant and load of scenarios em and there are kind of less safe reckless
ways of using them as well Elena euro fee which is consent which
you say social media has been a friend or a fool to kind of awareness of
consent I mean I know myself when you really look at the cases we talked about
in the awareness I’ve got most of my from Facebook to be honest and I’m
looking at the stories and my newsfeed is actually now my main use to which
they’re always dodgy in itself but at the same time it kinda does know it may
go – so are you thought I saw some mediator absolutely yeah okay yeah
and during the they tried that you’re referring to last year I followed what
was effectively trial by social media yeah I followed that religiously what
didn’t engage with any of us and I thought something that that as Richie
has said and and Shane is really really important that you can engage but to try
and make a really good effort to detach yourself from what can be relentless
negativity yeah as I said I did follow what it was really important for me not
to engage there were a number of of tweets I saw that I could have jumped in
it’s a deafening corrector you know but yeah you really have to pull yourself
back from that and the other thing with with social media as well is that
particularly with Instagram and I suppose as a female and I wouldn’t say
addicted but I use Instagram a lot is that people are applauding the best of
themselves and if we’re sort of measuring ourselves against the best of
others of course we’re going to feel inadequate of course we’re going to feel
inferior but just to be to be kind of cognizant that that’s the best that that
person has to offer and I don’t need to measure up to that
but that’s something that takes years to learn and there you know it’s trial and
error but certainly Richie has been really helpful for me in I’d look at
something on my social media and go what yeah just ignore Sh yeah
ignore the negativity and engage with the positivity yeah still itself
absolutely absolutely we’re going to open up the
floor to you guys in a second so if you’ve any questions keep it in your
head but I want to end on a positive note because we do have two professional
hugely professional sports people in our in our MIT so I just want to ask I
suppose a sports reader question to yourself and it might be a particular
there’s an interested of us out here who might be aspiring to cheese so something
near that what are your tips on maintaining a professional mindset when
you’re are training are aspiring to train at such a high level Ricci tips
maintain a professional mindset and one of the things I used to think he had to
do to make it at the top was to be blinkered so in my case it was football
so just focus on football and nothing else
developed no other interests or no other side hobbies or anything and the more
more young people I started to work with or the more and more young footballers
as I started to see I realized and actually this one-dimensional approach
to developing yourself as a person isn’t actually that healthy whether you end up
in a career or not you’re at some point going to leave the career no one is a
professional footballer until they’re 90 years of age so at some point you’re
gonna have to live in a world where you’re not an athlete in your chosen
sports so III don’t think most elite athletes need to be encouraged to train
hard or to make the sacrifices or to monitor the diet or their sleep they
just do that but I think the advice that I would like to have been given when I
was 17 or 18 was just to allow room for other interest to develop it doesn’t
make me less committed footballer it doesn’t mean of less chance of doing
well it just means of a bit more rounded healthier approach to life because you
can only train couple hours a day you’re still gonna be awake for another 10 or
12 hours so sitting on a couch watching MTV for 10 hours a day as it was for me
back then there’s a better way of spending your time than that
definitely I’ve seen it sports the Gea and it’s one thing that everyone always
talks about GA like you’re you guys are performing and training at a hugely
professional level yes your guards your teachers min ursus you’re working in
shops during the day so you’re on a national stage international stage
weekends training and evenings you’re widely known throughout the land yet you
have very ordinary lives I always have wondered how you can cope
with that how you actually can go from like is there two different
personalities and you do detach yourself what would be your tips particular gea
of maintaining this professional kinda ethos a lot of it and again coming from
soccer you know lifestyle into the GAA
lifestyle was a little bit of a shock because in soccer it
are you crazy saying no just throw yourself into it every day so I did
anyway and a lot of lads do especially you’re trying to make and to the top is
so intense and that’s all you think about you know you’re trying to do
everything you can and we did all sorts out sort of even trying to you know help
my game and whether that was yoga or pilates just you know other things I was
told this will help you this is help people when you come back and those
things aren’t kind of on the table for you because you’re trying to manage a
job and then your training schedule and you know it’s it’s 20 management really
and that’s what I learned from from the GA I was able to manage my time properly
and to get the best out of my cellphone I did perform on a Saturday or Sunday in
the GA so am and that’s something I wouldn’t have bought into when I was
playing in England and like this goal setting as well was has been very
important to me in the last number of years in my game as well and improve my
game I think as well which you would have rushed pushed off years ago so just
point management and how to manage retirement and not you know pull
yourself everywhere and speaking medley I suppose you went from Richie’s
lifestyle to professional football in the UK which was your all-encompassing
job you weren’t totally happy with it for a number of reasons
you’re even back to the GAA so there was something that you read about would you
say that lifestyle and kind of career path Brian did you more over here the
fact that you were able to just leave it behind us on day and focus on something
else was that actually a positive for you yeah definitely and it was something
that was always kind of in me even in England like I was frustrated at the
time is because I didn’t always want to be just known as a footballer I want to
be known as you know something else yes you know I retained that the person or
whatever and that was I didn’t really understand that then and as I came home
I started to understand the more that that’s what I wanted
detach myself away from that as well I wanted that but I wanted to be someone
else at the same time so the GA definitely you know helped me and
develop that side of my of my life as well yeah there’s losing here’s what I
asked you guys I want to give yourselves a chance though any pressing questions
with any bro panel what you can do is become depressed and upbeat and it’s
just a question for Elaine and I know you just discussed about consent and
where we did a survey where the i or ii / students you know we did a survey of
like 800 students we found that 65 was a 65 percent of them found had no
education on consent at all sure and IRC and there’s a debate at the moment short
relationship with sexuality education be taught by teachers or should it be
taught by trained professionals coming in and I just wanted to get your own
opinion on that well actually there’s there’s four against four both right um
that some students value or as they being delivered by their teachers with
whom they’re familiar others feel more comfortable with people like Richie and
I who earned part of the teacher body coming into secondary schools to deliver
orosi but the issue for us isn’t how it’s delivered the issue is – it’s
delivered and and that’s something that’s really important to me certainly
is and it’s something that’s so frustrating is the lack of consistency
with the delivery of orosi and we can have I know we have a review of the
curriculum we can have the best curriculum in the world but if it’s not
being delivered regardless of who’s delivering it then what’s the point
what’s the point but I know for us and certainly there is huge support in the
school for us coming as as externs coming in delivering the orosi and I
think that the boys is well appreciated it’s a very very different relationship
the relationship they have with Richie both the mental fitness and they have
with Richie and I in in the sexual health module then they have with their
teachers and I think it’s very very difficult and this is just me personally
I think it’s very very difficult for a teacher to sort of moonlight as
well health educator and bring what we bring to a module like that that’s very
pure led very interactive very informal and then to go back to being an
authoritarian figure as a geography teacher or a history teacher I think
that’s a very great challenge for them as well so basically I think when it’s
the high profile the games how do you know the pressures for that Ricci like
you know when it’s when it really is at a higher stage when you’re when you’re
involved in sports at a very high level and there’s a lot of people watching
particularly higher games in the bigger games you know do you know what I think
the best approach is is to if you get and it’s not easily done by by everyone
it’s just to approach every game like I was a centre-forward so there were
certain things that would be demanded of me in every single game certain moves I
had to make certain things that would want to achieve on a pitch and so I
would aim to do that irrespective of the level importance of the game or how many
people was watching or whether it’s on telly or not
and oh it was a friendly or where there was a cup final and just to try and
focus on the job rather than the external environment and because I found
my own self when I started to listen to what the crowd were or the crowd sing in
my name or they burned me or I started to listen to any other external cues I
lost focus on the thing that I was there to do and I did it less well so for me I
had to learn the hard way they’re actually just focusing on the job my
specific job was the best way to be a good footballer and then if I started to
focus and how many people are in the stands there are many people are
watching on TV I just lost focus what other people will give you a different
answer they said you know what the more people who watch me and the more people
who were talking about me the more that inspires me to do as well
as they can be so it’s a kind of a personal thing but for me it was just
forget the external stuff hone in on the opinions of a few people who matter my
coach my teammates and that’s it and that’s a skill that took me a little
while to learn all right thanks to your query time for just one
more and being told actually unfortunately this is a very keen young
man over here when I was Luke and a private question
for Ritchie did you see the social media reaction that about you when a party
product is corn or all 19 European Tour and cauliflower and I just want to ask
how do you feel about that social media reaction it was hard not to be aware of
the reaction to be honest and so for anyone who don’t know I worked in a
Champions League program one night the thing was a Barcelona Arsenal match to
something I don’t think it mattered who the team was but at the start of every
program to introduce whoever’s on the screen to the audience to put your name
and something interesting about you below and usually it’s former Ireland
international former something bland but one lad one night who had the job to do
that dipped into he looked at all the various ways have been described over
the years and I think as a joke one of the lads who was a producer I’m
one of the League of Ireland highlight shows put that up years ago and it was
grind it was funny was kind of relevant even actually did a conversation tonight
because we were talking about youth international tournaments so your man
sought and says okay well it’s just I’ll put this on and of course then Twitter
erupted and I didn’t I didn’t mind at all like I totally indifferent and I
liked the fact that it brought so much joy to so many people but the goal
itself that that under that third-place playoff of the under-18 European
Championships I was 17 it was the first time I started a game for Ireland which
was the highlight of my life at that point and it was the first goal I scored
for Ireland which put us one nil up against Spain you know we lost the game
2-1 but I remember the feeling I had after that goal it was probably the
greatest feelings I’ve had probably certainly at that point but I don’t know
if I’ve had many better since so I like that the caption has has amused so many
people but I love the memories I have about the moment as well great okay I
mean told the rapid Opstal we’re back here it’s huge thanks to the burns until you stop

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